Gov’t using firemen as domestic spies
Posted on 30. Nov, 2007 by Derek Bargeld in Top Stories
It was revealed last week that firefighters are being trained to not only keep an eye out for illegal materials in the course of their duties, but even to report back any expression of discontent with the government.A year ago, Homeland Security gave security clearances to nine New York City fire chiefs and began sharing intelligence with them. Even before that, fire department personnel were being taught “to identify material or behavior that may indicate terrorist activities” and were also “told to be alert for a person who is hostile, uncooperative or expressing hate or discontent with the United States.”
Unlike law enforcement officials, firemen can go onto private property without a warrant, not only while fighting fires but also for inspections. “It’s the evolution of the fire service,” said a Phoenix, AZ fire chief of his information-sharing arrangement with law enforcement.
Keith Olbermann raised the alarm about the program on his show Wednesday, noting that “if the information-sharing program works in New York, the department says it will extend it to other major metropolitan areas, unless we stop them.” He then asked Mike German, a former FBI agent who is now with the ACLU, “This program seems to be turning [firefighters], essentially, into legally protected domestic spies, does it not?”
“That’s the entire intent,” German replied, noting the serious legal issues involved. “There is actually still a fourth amendment,” he pointed out, “and what makes a firefighter’s search reasonable is that it’s done to prevent a fire. If now firefighters are going in with this secondary purpose, that end run around the fourth amendment won’t work, and it’s likely that they will find themselves in legal trouble.” MORE>>>
Guys this is no news. the fire dept has been doing this for years. I was called for a small kitchen fire. I walk in, the fires is out, it was over cooked shit in a pot and smoked up the house and no one was home. The fire dept has to search the home to make sure no one is dead. They discover a small card board box of weed on the dresser.
So when I arrive they say, hey you might want to check the bed room and take a look on the dresser.
well when dad comes home and thanks the fire dept and I for putting out his little kitchen fire, dumb ass goes to jail.
The moral of the story ? don’t leave a big bag a weed on your dresser to clean, when your cooking in the kitchen and leave the house.
yeah he was a dumb nig.
mh
The firemen, the postmen, truckers. Everyone is a spy. What? You want privacy? Too bad, they have used the Constitution of the United States of America for toilet paper and flushed it.
We have only await marshal law. Freedom, if we ever want to experience will have to be fought for. My expectation is that there are too many lazy self centered morons that actually want the government running their lives.
Grosses me out.
Well, I think the difference now is that we aren’t talking about someone having something illegal in their house but someone appearing as though they are unhappy with our gov’t. It isn’t illegal to be a dissident. They are turning the firemen into thought police. Sounds more like communist slavery and the Stasi or KGB.
Oh my god, it’s Fahrenheit 451. Soon they’ll be burning books and arresting people.
It is true what mh. said. As a firefighter\emt you are to observe your “surroundings”. FD’s are homeland security tools. Its training and action has been going on for years.
Where I come from Firemen and Police go hand in hand. Whatever you wouldn’t say publicly to a police officer you don’t say to a fire dept associate. They know each other quite well and work as one county or state dept.
Can you imagine if a firefighter can into one of house for a fire either big or small and notice a German or WPWW flag on a wall. Then in turn informed the police that now work directly with the FBI, and arrested for bein a terrorist. Just like Jennifer said “We have only await marshal law. Freedom, if we ever want to experience will have to be fought for. My expectation is that there are too many lazy self centered morons that actually want the government running their lives.” We are short of being a strong voice in America. We as whites should put an large focus on these issuse before loosing all of our rights.What’s next? No more Newsnet,Micetrap,ect.?